The Joker Card albums they made. Starts at Carnival of Carnage and ends in Hells Pit. Even most of the songs on THOSE albums werent very good at all, but I was young when I started listening to them and it all sounded fresh to me. Than they came out with The Calm and The Tempest and shit and those just arent any good at all I dont think. But w/e I dont listen to them anymore I just really respect and admire what they did for themselves and their close homies.